My good friend Eron ( who doesn't have faith in my blogging but rightfully so) has asked a question of me.
Should unbaptized believers partake of the Lord's Supper?
Very interesting.
My first thought is... no biggy. of course they should be able. But then I thought well... why do i say that. Why do we even say that you are saved w/out baptism ( i believe you can be)?
The main instance we turn to is when Jesus talks with the thieves hanging with him on the cross in Luke 23. The first thief tells Christ to save himself and them, because he is the messiah.
The second thief rebukes him saying they are just for their suffering, where Christ is being punished unjustly and asks Jesus to remember him in his kingdom. You can call this a deathbed conversion. Obviously the first criminal simply wanted to be freed. The second realized his state (a sinner) and realized that Christ was being punished for nothing. Obviously neither of these men were Christ followers. I think that the second man was face to face with Jesus, realized his sin, saw the sinlessness of Christ, saw his need for repentance, and cried out for God to remember him in paradise. I don't necessarily believe this is a basis for the believe that baptism is not necessary for salvation... but then again maybe it is. We know that baptism is important and is a sign of commitment and a new life.
There are several and I mean several passages that deal w/ new believers needing to be baptized. Paul and Peter specifically tell people to repent and be baptized (1 Pet 3:21, Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, Romans 6 :4, Gal 3:27)
To my knowledge there is nothing that the Bible speaks to specifically for the Lord's Supper involving this. We are told not to eat with out discerning ourselves. Much of our instruction involving this comes from 1 Corinthians 11.
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- Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. 12
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- A person should examine himself, 13 and so eat the bread and drink the cup.
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- For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment 14 on himself.
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- That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.
Don't partake w/out confessing sin and not having a pure heart. We need to take our sin to the cross before we partake.
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- If we discerned ourselves, we would not be under judgment;
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- but since we are judged by (the) Lord, we are being disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world.
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- Therefore, my brothers, when you come together to eat, wait for one another.
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- If anyone is hungry, he should eat at home, so that your meetings may not result in judgment. The other matters I shall set in order when I come.
Don't partake out of hunger.
I don't see anything that doesn't qualify a nonbaptized believer here.
But let's cut to the heart of the matter. What is baptism?
An outward showing of an inward working.
We get baptized to show to the world the washing away of our sins and rebirth into Christ. What the heart of this question is (to me and me alone), is whether or not a nonbaptized believer has the freedom a baptized believer does.
I don't know.
I don't see anything that says they shouldn't... but I definitely see scripture of our Apostles telling new converts to get baptized and do it quick.
But here's a thought. The apostle's also speak of circumcision almost as fervently. But it's clearly a circumcision of the heart. Is baptism also of the heart? I believe it is. It's definitely a lot easier to do if you get saved at a later age.
Nobody argues that one.
I think they can partake of the Lord's supper. I don't think it's in sin and I don't think it being abusive of their freedom.
But I also think they should get baptized soon after conversion. No reason not to.
Thoughts, questions, ideas, or calvinistic disagreements???
10 comments:
oh yeah, hooray arminianism... oh wait, my bad, didn't mean that
I haven't articulated an answer quite yet, but simply because I am a Calvinist, I ardently disagree.
hahaha
Typical Blake... real typical.
man i love you guys.
Thanks for helping me think about that. I still think if you are not baptized then you can still take communion, because well the Lord knows your heart and man does not. But I do think one should be baptized as a symbol that they are saved and you should not wait like 10 years to do it. I wonder what Matt thinks about this, I will ask him.
I think that you can take of the Lord's supper before you are baptized; as long as you wait 30 minutes before you get into the baptistry.
Good point Ryan...don't want to cramp up!
Myles,
Nice, bro. I'm glad to see that your theological gears are turning!
Few things (for fun):
I'm with you on the whole thief on the cross thing. I would state it more firmly and say, no, this is an extremely poor example of "baptism doesn't save." Post-Pentecost believer's baptism wasn't even instituted before Christ's death.
You're right, 1 Corinthians 11 doesn't explicitly make a connection between baptism and the Lord's Supper, but, what if Paul assumed he was speaking to already baptized believers. I think he did (1 Cor. 1:13-17). Plus, self examination might include whether you are baptized or not.
Uh, what else?
I agree that people should be baptized ASAP after their conversion.
I'll just sum it up this way: If someone in my church came and said, "I want to take the Lord's Supper, but I am not baptized," I would be very hesitant and extremely investigative. Yet, I don't think in EVERY case one HAS to be baptized (like if a new believer is scheduled to be baptized in two weeks and we take the LS this week.)
In most cases I would probably refrain. I think you need to be baptized to take the Lord's Supper.
Wow! It's stuffy in here! Ok, Myles, your next post must be on sports. But, thanks for the reply. I wrote a paper on this subject for a class over the summer. We must do this occasionally.
Hook 'Em.
EP
Myles, I've got a better question...
Can you take the Lord's Supper if you haven't experienced your baptism in the Holy Spirit?
Just kidding. Just kidding.
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